"We must intensify our integration policy and focus more on academic success."
Gizem Adal, euronews:
"Hello Aydan Özoguz. You are in charge of Immigration, Refugees and Integration within the German government. Does the demonstrations and the growing popularity of the movement Pegida against the Islamization of the West worry you?
Aydan Özoguz, Secretary of State responsible for Immigration, Refugees and Integration in the German federal government:
"They mobilized fewer people last week. And in fact, much less this week. "
Gizem Adal:
"It is because of the resignation of Lutz Bachmann?"
Aydan Özoguz:
"We can not know if it's related to this resignation but the cons-demonstrations are increasing and more people gather on the street that this movement. Maybe this resignation has had an impact, we do not know. But we saw the pro-Pegida mobilization falter. That's good. In many cities, people demonstrate against them. The number of people who say, 'we want pluralism, we want the immigrants remain, we stand with our neighbors is very high. They say, 'We will not let you destroy this society we want to live together in peace.' These are grim things. "
Gizem Adal:
"In your opinion, why do Pegida has become so popular in Germany? Are the concerns are related only to Islam or also to the economy? "
Aydan Özoguz:
"Many factors are present here and it is perhaps this, the biggest problem. On one side we have the organization Pegida itself, some of whom may be Nazis. This means that its members are extreme right. But many other people have joined the movement and say, 'yes, I'm afraid of what happened in France, a veiled woman scares me or I do not like it.' All these nuances coexist. And at the same time on the forums, we also see them complain of low salaries or when they are unemployed, insufficient compensation.
There also may have a third thing: the persistent gap between East Germany and West Germany. Of course, we also find in the East people who oppose Pegida, all people living in East Germany are not xenophobic, do not get us wrong.
However, the number of people who do not consider democracy as an improvement is high. We see that in Germany, it is only in the city of Dresden that Pegida mobilized more than 20,000 people from all over the country. It's reassuring somewhere since the movement was unable to gather crowds elsewhere in Germany. Throughout Germany, the number of their supporters is only between 20,000 and 25,000. And they are no Muslims in Dresden, Islam is absent. "
Gizem Adal:
"More than four million Muslims live in Germany. Many immigrants arrived in the 60s as laborers have become employers. These people really helped the German wealth. What the German Government to protect against movements like Pegida? "
Aydan Özoguz:
"The German government following course all this closely. The most important for us, and also that any company wants is that yes, everyone should be able to express his ideas in the street. Of course, the radicals are different. But everyone has the right to say 'yes, I'm afraid of this or that'. Sure, they may even say they do not like Muslims. But that does not mean they have the right to scare, chase the Muslims to do them harm. We follow course that folder. We must distinguish the actual company that fear of far-right organizations, populist organizations. And we can not achieve this through dialogue, only coming together. "
Gizem Adal:
"In Europe, the increase in the number of Salafi is a serious threat. According to official data, nearly 7,000 Salafists live in Germany. Young people in particular are victims of brainwashing on social networks. What does the German government to solve this problem? "
Aydan Özoguz:
'' In reality, these people entice them. "
Gizem Adal:
"Young people come into contact with these organizations and recruitment is done face-to-face."
Aydan Özoguz:
"Or these organizations are approaching. Worse, they approach them and promise to these young people a better life. They come and say, 'if you have not been able to integrate into this society, etc ...' This is the main case in Germany. For example, in other countries, academics go do jihad, we hear, but that is not the case in Germany. Radical focus primarily on early school failure, those who do not find their place in society.
This means two things: we must intensify our integration policy. We need to focus more on academic achievement, we must guide these young people and we do. In recent years, we have achieved great results. However, some think in these terms: 'everyone should listen to me, I want to be part of a great and strong organization. " For example, we collect now the testimonies of those who have returned. They say they wanted to live this feeling of belonging once in their life. This means that some young people do not feel strong enough. I think we need to be closer to them and at the same time, their parents. "
Gizem Adal:
"From their parents and their schools, of course. We are talking about 500 youth. 200 to 300 of them have returned, according to estimates ... "
Aydan Özoguz:
'' Some died in Jihad. "
Gizem Adal:
"Some are dead but are estimates. Most of these Salafis are German citizens. What steps have you taken after their return? "
Aydan Özoguz:
"We talk to them, of course, always, and asked what they did, who they met, and what the state of mind they are. "
Gizem Adal:
"But you do not confiscate their passports? "
Aydan Özoguz:
"We take their passports now. Now they can no longer leave Europe. At least not legally. This is the signal we are sending them. Those who want to can find other ways to go, but they will not go so easily. We must show that the culture of the people is not a problem, that their religion is not a problem, but if they kill other people, they are not part of this company. Society must oppose and say, 'we do not want this kind of individuals. By what right can you kill other people? Will you be good Muslims in doing so? ' We have to say this in a more direct way, perhaps even should we say a little more aggressive. "
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